Vredenburgh Queries

Some of these queries have been received via snail mail over the years. Also, when I have run across Vredenburgh queries on other pages I have copied them here sometimes citing the original source of the query. The oldest queries are at the top of this list.

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995
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From: Sharon A Johnson <Cher4I@AOL.COM> Subject: Nackhackeneck, NY ??

Hi, Another member of the family and I have conflicting information in our charts. One is Nackhackeneck, NY. I can't find it on any map I have. This is from c. 1730's Does anyone have such a map and can check for us? PLEASE do.

She has Our DANIEL DECKER b. 22 apr 1737 m. to BLANDINA VERDENBURG OF NJ b. 1738 d. 1835


We need any BLANDINA VREDENBURGH ancestors also.

Can anyone confirm or deny any of this? It would really help us out.

I will check in my new' History of New Haven and its Absorbtion into CT.' by Edward Atwater for you if you have Surnames there c. 1630

--- Thanks for reading and helping. Sharon

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996
From: Dann Craig < dcraig@dowco.com >

I am primarily looking for a (UK) Smith FRETENBURG who lived in Minnesota circa ...Other derivations of the surname include FREDENBURG, FRETENBOROUGH, FREIGHTENBOROUGH, VREDENBURG.

Smith Fretenburg (Fretenborough) b. Dec 16 1832 Ontario Canada d. Dec 16 1893 Clyde Township, St Clair County,Michigan

m. Sanilac County, Michigan Elizabeth Hillman b.circa 1848 Ontario Canada d. July 12 , 1928 Saskatchewan Canada or in Michigan.

James Edward Fretenburg b. July 20, 1883 Port Huron, St Clair County,Michigan d. Jan 23, 1958 Vancouver BC Canada m. 1905 to Phoebe Grace CHASE b. Oct 11, 1886 in Rice, Benton County, Minnisota d. Whiterock BC April 19, 1966

Issac FRETENBURG b. April 19, 1866 Freemont,County, Sanilc, Michigan d. April 26 1950 m Emma Newton Nov 22 , 1890.

Harry Fretenburg b. June 8, 1906 d. May 4 1992 in Vancouver BC Canada m. Lucille // Had daughter Shirley Anne Fretenburg.

William FRETENBURG b. March 22,1868 Fremont Twnshp, Sanilac Michigan=20 d.Dec 2, 1952 M. Laura Marriott Looking for information on either person.

Allison FRETENBURG b.abt 1870 d. Aug 21, 1912 m. Sarah // NEED information on both.

Alexander FRETENBURG b., March 5 1872 Freemont Twnshp, Sanilac, Michigan d. 1927 m. Grace BURNS Aug 30 1897

Mary FRETENBURG b. Sept 29, 1897 Freemont Twnshp, Sanilac, Michigan d. Jan 31, 1949 m. Bert Brooks November 10, 1897

Martha FRETENBURG b. Sept 29, 1874 (Twin to Mary) Freemont Twnshp, Sanilc, Michigan d. 1924 m. David Miller

Thank you for any information that you may confirm and fill in blanks for.



From: Glenna J. Fredenberg, 2648 Trumble Creek Road, Kalispell, Mt. 59901, 6 May 1996

I am looking up my husband's family tree, but the records I have only go back to a Henry H. VREDENBURGH, born July 9, 1812. I have no history as to brothers nor other family members. I do have a list of his and Eliza Cole's children; Aaron b. 1833; Henry b. May 31, 1836; Jacob b. June 12, 1839; Maria b. June 28, 1842; Anson b. August 14, 1845 and George b. July 19, 1848. My husband is a direct descendent of George (FREDENBERG), he changed his name before leaving New York.

Posted September 1996 on Montogomery Herkermer Counties GENWEB page

Ruth Volk , <ruth@campbell-group.com> Thur Sep 12 1996

My ancestor Bernard "Barney" CRAMER died in or near Root on 2 MAR 1847 at age 74 at the home of his son Frederick CRAMER. I would like to find his grave as well as an obituary if possible. Also I wonder if his wife Anna (VAN VREDENBURGH) CRAMER might also be buried there. Their children, born between 1795 and 1812, were Frederick B, Catherine COMPTON, John R, Jeremiah F, William C, Bernard S and Peter D. Perhaps there is information in Montgomery County relating to my ancestors Jeremiah F (b. 1803) & Julia Ann (SHOEMAKER) CRAMER whose graves I have not yet found. Any information or advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

From Elsie Vredenburg. <elf@netonecom.net>
30 Mar 1997

I'm looking for the ancestry of Frank VREDENBURG, of Mountain View, CA, who d. 31 Oct. 1923.

From Elsie Vredenburg . <elf@netonecom.net>
Thu, 10 Apr 1997

VREDENBURG, SWAYZE, PARK. Searching for anyinfo on these families who I found living in Chemung Co., NY in the 1800s. Believe they may hgave come from Sussex Co., NJ. John Vredenburg m. Abby (?). Their son Joseph VREDENBURG m. Sally Ann SWEEZEY, dau of James SWEEZEY and Susannah PARK, possibly dau of Alexander PARK. Any info on these people would be appreciated.

Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997
From: STAHRKZO@aol.com
Subject: Kalamazoo County Pioneers Part 4

Final group of names from the History of Kalamazoo County Michigan published in 1880. If anyone needs the biographical sketch for one of these names just e-mail me your snail mail address and I will make a copy of the page in the book and mail it to you -(no charge) most have artist's renderings of the individual.

Fredenburg, Sylvester b. 1823 in NY

From: Bill Reed <WMREED49@aol.com>
Sun, 18 May 1997

Have information on Isaac Willems van Vredenburch marr to Ccrnelia Jans. His father Willem Van Vredenburch marr to Maria van Waelenburch and their descendants thru Isaac Vredenburgh and Geesjen Pier in Kingston, Ulster Co., NY. am related to John Vredenburg m. to Abby (loc unk) son Hernando marr to Elizabeth of Tioga Co., NY son William Vredenburg m. to Eliza of Tioga son Charles Byron Vredenburg marr to Cora Anne HUES of Van Etten, Chumung Co., NY son Claude Dewitt VREDENBURG of Van Eetten. Can not seem to find a link. can you provide one. Believe one of the Vredenburgh's from the Kingston area was m. to a Van Etten and moved to that area in early 1800 when the town was formed.

From Deb Goldgehn <debg@ocn.com>

Larry just did a search on Fredenburg's on the Net, and found your entry regarding Henry and Almena. My information at this point is sketchy, although I expect to receive more from my cousin in the near future.

What jumped out at me were a couple of similarities. My great-grandfather's name was William Henry Fredenburg, born in Jefferson County, NY in 1846. His father was George Fredenburg, born in Montogomery County, NY in 1803. Lots of similarities, but nothing quite matches! Just wondered if anything sounds familar?

Deb (Fredenburg) Goldgehn

From Maureen Fawkes <MOMO320@aol.com>

19 Jan 1997

I am having difficulty finding exactly when my William Hazard Vredenburgh and brother, Wright Field, came to New Orleans. I believe they were boys and came to live with relatives.

COY, VRADENBURG, VRADENBURGH posted on ROOTSWEB by Kevin Vradenburg <Kevin56@worldnet.att.net> on Thursday, October 9, 1997

VRADENBURGH, Family... trying to find info on the Vradenburgh names.. G.O Vradenburgh, Ellfra Vradenburgh& Emma(wife)married in Modena NY(ulster cty)in 1874 or so.. G.O Vradenburgh last residence was Clintondale NY(ulster cty)around 1891 then was said to move to Port Jackson (?) I dont even know where that is (was?) Emma , ellfra wife was a member of the COY family in Modena NY I cant locate any death & or birth announcement/certificates. It is said that G.O (george) Vradenburgh was a photographer that traveled all over Ulster cty. did many shoots of the "Friends" ie. Quakers, I am trying to locate my family and photos (Town historian of Modina would like them and or copies thereof. it is also known that many in our family dropped the "H" in Vradenburg, this i know is true because i have living relatives who spell it VRADENBURG. Also Donald & Dorothy Vradenburg in 1967 lived in Noth Blenheim NY. and a Myron Vradenburg lived in Queens/brooklyn NY in 1957 (died in 1959) Ronald Myron Vradenburg lived in NJ ( D. 1972) Presently there are 3 sons of Ronald M Vradenburg living in NJ(thats us) Donald Vradenburg had 3 daughters aged around 60-70 yrs old ( its only a guess in age) last names of Donalds daughters all married are, Lavoie,Hazen, Goynes

Thanks.Kevin V

From Max W. Baer <maxbaer@erols.com>

November 21, 1997

Hi, Larry

I am trying to get more information on the following Vredenburg:

John (b: abt 12/12/1795, d: 8/2/1839) and Phoebe (Morehouse) (d: 1867) Vredenburg were natives of New York State. They moved to Crawford County, PA in 1831. John purchased 100 acres of land in Hayfield Township, Crawford County, PA. John's father was a minister of the Methodist Episcopal Church and was from Holland. John died in 1839, aged 42 years, from the effects of an accident (a tree having fallen on him).

John and Phoebe had four Children:
Betsy Ann Vredenburg (b: 10/12/1823 Schoharie County NY, d: 11/30/1899 PA) married Lucinda Hulburd (native of Hamburg, NY) on 1/11/1844. They had six children

Mary J.

John W.A Jacob Vredenburg was living with David and Betsy Sebaugh when the 1850 census was taken, (b: abt 1830, NY) he may be a son of John and Phoebe. I have no information on the other child John W. son of Edmund died in Montrose, Genesee County, MI sometime in 1930. I can provide you with some more information on the line. Does any of this fit into your Vredenburg? Hope we have a connection.

Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997
From: "Joseph O. Sherman" < j-sherman@nwu.edu >

Hello, Will you please post the following FREDENBURGH query? Thanks, Joe Sherman

FREDENBURGH I am looking for the parents of Daniel FREDENBURGH who was born c1805 in NY. He married Mary ?, born c1810 in NY. They married c1826 in NY. Their children included 1.) Phoebe, born Sep 15, 1827 in NY, 2.) Jacob, born c1829 in NY, 3.) Susan, born c1835 in NY, 4.) Sara A., born c1837 in NY, 5.) Besse J., born c1840 in NY, 6.) Sylvia, born c1843 in MA, 7.) Harriet, born c1846 in MA and 8.) Martha J., born c1849 in MA. In 1850 Daniel and Jacob were working as colliers in Stamford, VT. Any help would be appreciated.

Subject: Vredenburgh
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:23:20 -0600
From: Susan Kenyon < skenyon@stic.net >

Dear Larry,

Do you know if any of these folks originated from Doorn or Veenendaal, Holland?

I have Fredenburg - Fretenborough ancestors, however we are not having any luck tracking down Smith Fretenborough/Fredenburg parents John & Nancy (Monarchy - Modity) Fredenburg who may have been married in 1828 in Fredericksburgh, Canada. I feel they may have come from the Columbia
Co., NY area.

Their children: Smith b. 1832, Abram b. ca 1840, Adam ca 1840, Mary 1848 as known.

Have you ever seen the Fredenburg name change to Fredendall? Peaceful hill and peaceful valley or dale?

Thank you,



While I have run across the name Fretenborough in the Census data I have always considered it a variant of Fredenburg/Vredenburgh HOWEVER I ran across a Francis Friedenburg in the Lee County, IL Marriage Records and Census records circa 1860 where he listed his place of birth as Germany.

I once worked with a woman who was born in Germany who confirmed that Friedenberg (Friedenburg)would be the German version of Vredenburgh.

There are alot of questions in my mind regarding this name: Fredenburgh / Vredenburgh, and where they all came from.

Larry Vredenburgh

Subject: Irvin Fredenburgh
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:51:56 EST
From: Bill Keith <Shilobill@aol.com>

I am trying to find the connection between Calvin Fredenburgh, b 1829 and others that appear in in the Fredenburgh family history. Who was Calvins father? I have several of his decendants. My uncle Wilbur is a GGgrandson of Calvin. Any help and information would be appreciated.

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:39:49 -0800
From: Michele Huber Reed <bareed@ncinter.net>

This is a wonderful site! I am looking for an Ida Vredenburgh who married Paul N. Brierre in 1889 in Louisiana. Unfortunately, I did not find these names on your page, however, I do not want to leave any stone unturned. These names may be a lead to my long lost grandmother.

Thank you,
Michele Huber Reed

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 98 06:55:12 PST
From: "Nancy Kelly" <kinship@atlantic.net>

I have been studying your web re: Vredenburg family. I recently posted a report to the Family Tree Maker user site for a branch of this family which settled in Rhinebeck NY in 1721. Their land has been in our family since 1906 and I have an early map of their holdings. I am interested in comparing notes with anyone who has information about the William Vredenburg-Heiltje Van Etten branch of the family. The John B.Fredenburg b. 1792 which you list on your bibliography page is probably a son of Benjamin Vredenburg from this branch of the family. I have not followed the family much beyond 1790. My interest is mainly in the inter-relationships of families living in the area of Rhinebeck known as the Sepascot Lands. These families include Westfall, Wells/Welch & Morris.

My information may be reached at http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/e/l/Nancy-V-Kelly/tree1.html
It includes documented cemetery and church record information.

My alternate e-mail address is kinship@compuserve.com I would appreciate any information you can give me--am especially searching for bible records from this branch. Please reply to kinship@icc.atlantic.net with a copy to kinship@compuserve.com.

Thank you,
Nancy Kelly

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:48:03 -0700
From: Lynn Wells <lwells@vangard.com>

Dear Larry,

Hi, my name is Lynn Vradenburg Wells and I am researching my family name. My family lived and still lives in Michigan. My great-grandfather's name was Charles Vradenburg. His son's name was William Isaac Jesse Vradenburg. I can't seem to find Charles' Father's name. My grandfather told my mother (his daughter-in-law) that our family fought in the new Amsterdam War and that at one time we had "h" on the end of our name. I am hoping that you might have an idea of where I can look or have you heard of this line before? It seems that my line had some connection to Cleveland, Ohio. Charles and Melissa Watts Vradenburg had four children-Mary (Molly), Anna, William, and Libby (Elizabeth). Charles fought in the Civil War with the Ohio 188 th Infantry. He enlisted in Ohio. He is buried in the Schoolcraft, Michigan Cemetery. On all the records that I have looked at- marriage, Civil War-Pension, having people look for his death certificate in surrounding County Clerk's Offices-I can't find any information. I did find his obituary and it said that he had a brother who was with him when he passed away. I am wondering if there was a military hospital for Civil War Veterans? He enlisted in February of 1865 and the conditions were so bad then that he contracted a disease that effected his health until his death in 1897 and maybe the record was recorded somewhere else? We have a picture of a Mary Bishop Vradenburg from Ohio.

If you would please e-mail me back. I am very impressed with your web site. I have been researching for about ten years and have talked with so many wonderful people.

Lynn Wells

Subject: Heiltje Vredenburg
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:08:38 -0500
From: "Ardis Wolven" <a.wolven@mach7.com>


My name is Ardis Wolven and my husband has a Heiltje Vredenburg who was born 1729 Kingston, Uslter Co N.Y. and she married Aug.21.1752 Benjamin Van Etten Dutchess,Rhinebeck,N.Y. I'm don't know who her father is so was wondering if you could fill me in if you have any more information on her that you'd be willing to share with me I would appreciate it very much, and I'm thanking you in advance and will be looking forward in hearing from you.


Subject: Vredenburgh Searcher
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:04:02 -0600
From: Kathy Reynolds <reynoldsk@macalester.edu>


I just stumbled across your database a little bit ago. I've been researching my great-great grandmother, Sylvia Fredenburgh and looking for information on her parents, Henry Fredenburgh and Annie Showers.

To my surprise, I discovered them in Vol. 2, no. 2 of the 1994 Vredenburgh Searcher. I had just received a copy of the the Brownville, NY 1850 census as well as the cemetery records of both Annie Showers and Henry Fredenburgh and discovered that there are probably a few errors such as the date of Henry Fredenburgh's death. I have a feeling that the cemetery record is in all probability the correct one (there's about a four year difference).

I didn't see anything about who submitted the information. I am interested in getting information about this family and thought that perhaps you might be able to point me in the right direction!

I have some information on Sylvia's descendants and would be happy to share that information as well. The only information I found on her siblings was her brother so I am assuming that your database does not have information on her.

Kathy Reynolds

Subject: Fredenburgh Queries
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:31:56 -0600
From: Kathy Reynolds <reynoldsk@macalester.edu>

I'm looking for information on Henry Fredenburgh who was probably b abt 1803 in Ulster Co., NY. He m Annie Showers and moved to Brownville, Jefferson Co., NY in 1837. An 1850 census lists his occupation as blacksmith.

I am trying to find out who his parents were in particular.

Kathy Reynolds

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:29:07 EST
From: Verna <VMart91835@aol.com>

My great-great grandmother's name is Mary Elizabeth Vradenburg. Her father's name is Andrew. Her mother's name is Julia (no surname). They were from NY, but I do not know where. Can you supply me with any links?

Subject: Vrendenburgh
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:47:55 -0500
From: "Stephen C. Emery" <scemer01@homer.louisville.edu>


I have recently been in touch with John Decker. He is a descendant of Blandina Van Vredenburgh and Daniel Decker. Have you been in touch with John before?

I don't know if he has any ancestral information on the Van Vredenburgh line. What source did you use for your information?



Subject: E.R. Vredenburgh
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:14:21 -0500
From: rfortier@nmstc.ca

Dear Sir:

I will soon begin work on the manuscript of a book detailing the history of the Curtiss Model MF biplane flying boat trainer and its post-World War One civilian derivative, the Curtiss Seagull.

According to magazines in our collection, a Miss Eleanor R. Vredenburgh of Freehold (New Jersey) bought a Model MF / Seagull in 1923 and learned to fly it. Some time later, she entered a competition in Cannes (France), winning two trophies, and also toured the coast of Southern France and Northern Italy.

How should I proceed to find out whether or not information and, hopefully, photos of this remarkable lady and her aircraft have been preserved until today?

Any suggestion you can make would be most appreciated.

Sincerely yours,

Renald Fortier
Curator, Aviation History
National Aviation Museum
P.O. Box 9724, Station T
Ottawa, Canada
K1G 5A3
Fax: (613) 990-3655

>>>>>>my response<<<<<<<
Re: E.R. Vredenburgh
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:11:29 -0800

March 31, 1998

Mr. Fortier:

I think I may have your Eleanor Vredenburgh. Her name was Eleanor Remsen Vredenburgh, born 26 Nov 1894; died aft. 1958. She married in 1926, Paul Micelli, who died Dec 1930.

I have attached a WordPerfect 5.1 file that has the descendants of her father, a prominent New Jersey lawyer.

On my webpage go to:

[http://userzweb.lightspeed.net/~vredenb/gedcom/g0000008.html#I1514} - NOTE: This link is no longer valid!

...for her father. I have omitted more recent generations from my
webpage, that is why she is not there.

I have a type script of this branch of the family which was prepared in 1958. At that time her address was 904 2nd Ave. Sea Girt, NJ.

I checked on the internet for Micelli's in NJ and found one:

R Micelli
31 Cedar St
Barnegat,NJ 08005-2420

Barnegat is 30 miles south of Sea Girt, right on the NJ coast, 40 miles north of Atlantic City. Of course there are many Micelli's nation-wide here are some of interest:

Eleanor Micelli
321 Dyer Rd
West Palm Bea,FL 33405

Paul E Micelli
2935 Eastern Ave
Baltimore,MD 21224

Subject: Re: E.R. Vredenburgh
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:39:04 -0500
From: rfortier@nmstc.ca

Dear Sir:

A great many thanks for the information.

You may be interested to learn that Micelli was the man who taught Miss Eleanor Vredenburgh how to fly. He may have flown in France with the Lafayette Squadron during the First World War.

This is all quite fascinating. I only wish I could find some photos.

Sincerely yours,

Renald Fortier

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:49:05 EST
From: Noadiah 1 <Noadiah@msn.com>

We have a Vredenburgh line. Our great-grandmother was Amanda Jane Vredenburgh, April 19, 1838 at Croton Falls, NY. Her parents were Harry and Elizabeth [Bevins] Vredenburgh. Family notes have both Harry and Elizabeth born in Danbury CT. We have no documentation for this. We have not been able to connect with any Vredenburgh line in NY. Amanda married Orville Walter Peasein MA. Two sons were born there and two were born in MI.

Richards K. Pease

>>>>>my response:<<<<<<
Subject: Re: Vredenburgh
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:35:33 -0800

So good to hear from you I collected information about this family years ago. You can see it on my web page at:


Have you tried Levi's Civil War documents???

But I'm like you, I have not been able to make the connection to earlier generations.

I would be glad to get any information you would like to share. I will post your query. Hopefully something will show up.

Larry Vredenburgh

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:04:37 -0400
From: " Arthur Windt " <windt@mindspring.com>

I found your web-site and was hoping you might be able to help me. My gggrantfather, Edward Eugene Fredenburg was born 28 May 1861 in Red Hook, Dutchess, New York to Virgil Vradenburgh and Catherine Quimby. According to what we know, Virgil died in the Civil War or shortly thereafter, and Catherine, unable to read or write, couldn't remember how to spell the name correctly!

Edward came to Bay County, Michigan with his wife Jessie Carpenter and her family. They had one child, Virgil Carpenter Fredenburg, who was born 18 January 1891 in Hampton Township, Bay, Michigan. Edward and Jessie divorced and he headed back to New York, settling in Owego, where he remarried, became a prominent lawyer, and died in 1929.

I was hoping that you might know how these people connect with the overall Vredenburgh family. I did notice on your site under the 1860 New York Census index for Dutchess County, there is a V. Vradenburgh listed for Red Hook. Could this be my ggggrandfather? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Craig A. Windt
809 Main Street
Essexville, Michigan 48732

From NYGenWeb Ulster County, NY Genealogy page http://csbh.mhv.net/~hopefarm/ulsquery.htm

William/Willem CORSELIUS/Corsilius/Corsile, b. abt 1711, m. May 04, 1735, New York City, NY, Elizabeth Vredenburgh. Elizabeth Vredenburgh, CHRISTENING: 26 AUG 1711, New York City, NY and d. January 17, 1776, Kingston, Ulster Co., NY. I need to know if the following child is from the parents above: Elizabeth CORSELIUS, b. near NYC (Kingston?) in 1754, and d. November 02, 1829 m. TeWalt SWARTS/SWORTS (he b. 23AUG1755 Hamburg, New Jersey, moved to N. Dundee in 1807 and Bennett's Settlement in 1811 an d. July 08, 1850). Tewalt and Elizabeth Corselius Sworts both are in buried Dundee, Yates Co., NY, in Bennett's Settlement Cemetery. She passed on her surname to her grandson, William Corselius Sworts. Need info/hints on her ancestry.

Susan Austin, <susanaustin@hotmail.com>7638 New RT 31, Baldwinsville, NY 13027-9742

Date: June 3, 1998
From: Paulette Williams <Mountainman@netxn.com>


I've been into your site many times and I think it is very good. Do I think all V people evolved from one man,except from Adam, probably not. The group from northern NY state...maybe!!! I am going absolutely nuts trying to find mine. You would think they would show up occassionally (maybe they do and I just can't link them because I don't have my breakthrough information yet!

MY PROBLEM: I don't have enough information PERIOD!!

fact#1: my grandfather Albert William Vradenburg (according to his birth certificate) was born in Dresden,Yates Co.,NY 11-21-1903
fact#2:his father George Washington Vradenburg (according to the same certificate) was born in Ticonderoga, ?, NY Dec.16,1874 (that date came from Georges death certificate) Alberts birth certificate says George was a laborer in lumber goods..his dc says he was a carpenter..general building.
fact#3: his death cert. says his parents were: William Vradenburg and Sarah Bennett.
fact#4:we've been told George was born the youngest of 17 children (probably not all still lived at home when he was born)
fact#5:George married Sarah Elizabeth Alston (supposedly an extremely wealthy family
that disinherited her because of marrying George) (thought:maybe they met because he was working on the Alstons summer home in the Adirondacks?) she was born Dec.21,1879 Atkinson,Ill.
her parents:William Albert Alston and Jessie (Jessica?) Ransom
fact#6: two or three of my grandfather's older siblings were born in Lake George,NY
I've tried working within those three counties: Yates,Warren and Essex but I'm not picking up a trail at all:the names

I have are so limited.... it's looking like the only way to get a breakthrough is to go out there but I
don't have that kind of money right now (I live in Ca.) Can you give me some ideas? I also thought that you could possibly have something already because I'm sure people must send you anything they get on V people. Any thoughts you have or any infomation you can give me would be forever appreciated!!!

Subject: Sybil Vradenburg
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 22:54:22 -0700
From: Paula Lynch <paula@hatlady.com>

Dear Larry: I am looking for my great great great great grandmother Sybil Vradenburg born Feb 27 1817 in Milton, Ulster county, New York. She married Alexander McCord who was born Jan 10, 1811 in New York. They were married 25 Nov 1824 in Scarborough, Toronto area, Canada.
Have you run across this person at all?

Thanks Paula@hatlady.com

Subject: Fradenburgh family
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 08:56:49 -0400
From: John Rowe <johnlr@sssnet.com>

In trying to locate my mother's family history, I stumbled upon the names Vredenburgh and Fredenburgh. Since the Vredenburgh family came from Holland and settled in New York state as did my family, there is the possibility that there is an ascestral relationship.

If you have any information that could tie our families together, I would appreciate hearing about it. The most noted member of the Fradenburgh family was Jason Nelson Fradenburgh who served in the Civil War in a regiment from New York. He was wounded in the first battle of Bull Run.

Thanks for info you might be able to give me.

John Rowe

Subject: Helen (Green) Vredenberg
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:51:56 -0600
From: Allen Bond <ForestVBS@aol.com>


Thanks for the reply.

Any conection to Helen (Green ) Vredenberg, b. abt 1815, who married Albert. They moved to Clinton Co MI. Helen was the sister of my William Green. Both were childred of John Green and his wf Sally.

Helen Green (d. 1891 in Clinton Co per LDS Ancestral file) wf of Albert Vredenberg (b. abt 1812 in NY), was b. about 1815 prob. in Savannah Wayne Co. NY Albert and Helen appear in the 1860 thru 1880 Census of Olive Twp, Clinton Co, MI. A daughter Arminda (b. abt 1837) m. Lathan Carr (b. abt 1825) and also lived in Clinton Co.MI. The Carrs had children Edgar (b. abt 1854) and Albert Carr (b. abt 1867).

Per census records, Albert and Helen Vredenberg also had children Francis (Frank) W. b. abt 1852; Calista d. b. abt 1854; and Helen M. abt 1859, all in MI. Theses names do not appear in the LDS records.

Any connections will be greatly appreciated. I am a member of the Holland Society (the VBS in my address stands for Van Benschoten. So enjoyed reading about your Dutch ancestors.

Allen Bond.

From: Jim Cookman <psycheprod@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:33 PM
To: PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Lewis Montgomery marriage certificate

Hello List, I'm holding in my trembling hands the rather large (3'x3') parchment marriage certificate for my 4th great grandparents, Joseph Saunders Lewis and Frances Montgomery. The certificate is dated January 23, 1800, signed by Robert Wharton, Mayor and witnessed by the following
people, about whom I'd like to find out as much as possible. Some are relatives, and the others?

Peter Reeve, Wm. Rodman, J. (looks like L.) Murray, L. Robinson, Fishbourn Wharton, William G. Montgomery, James Montgomery, Hester Montgomery, Sally P. Montgomery, Esther Vredenburgh, Sarah Rodman, Ann Pemberton, "unreadable" E. Hutchinson, Eliza Pemberton, Sally B. Murray, Hannah Parke, Margaret (unreadable, looks like Liste.)
Any assistance or clues anyone might impart are most appreciated!

Sincerely, Jim Cookman

Subject: Vredenburg - Ohio?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:12:41 -0700
From: "Kevin Cahoon" kevin@fbigroup.ca or lcahonn@hoitmail.com

Howdy, My name is Kevin Cahoon. My great grandmother was Emily Jane Vredenburg born apparently 21 Nov 1857 somewhere in Ohio. She was apparently a school teacher prior to being married. A census record I found for 1900 indicated that both her parents were born in New York and that she was born in Ohio. The census liter her as "Jennie". She married Herbert Elmore Cahoon 29 May 1884 in Arlington, Washington Co., Nebraska, U.S.A Unfortunately, they don't have records that far back. Someone said that her mother's maiden name may have been Jamieson. The only other information I have is that she had a brother Emmett (spelling?) and his wife's name was Rose. I know that she was supposed to be "Pennsylvania Dutch" and that her father worked in upper New York state at some point. After her marriage, she lived in Nebraska, and died there in the sixties.

Does this fit with any of your family tree info.

Thanks in advance

Kevin Cahoon
Subject: Norman VREDENBURG
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:52:27 PDT
From: <lcahoon@hotmail.com>

Hi Again, while the information below is still correct, I have finally had a breakthrough. I determined that Emile Jane VREDENBURG's parents were Norman VREDENBURG (born Mar 1832 in New York) and Srdinia (born Oct 1832 in New York) Does this fit with anything you have?

PS my email now is kevin@fbigroup.ca or lcahonn@hoitmail.com

Thanks in advance.

Kevin Cahoon

Subject: Fredenburg
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:57:45 EDT
From: Marita Lee< MaritaDido@aol.com >

My great-great grandmother was Amanda Fredenburg, born abt. 1805 in NY. She married first John Suttlief in the late 1820's. They probably lived in Jefferson or St. Lawrence Co. NY. They had a son, George Suttlief, and soon after that John Suttlief died. Amanda Fredenburg--Suttlief then married William Burke in abt. 1830. They resided in De Kalb, St. Lawrence Co. NY. until 1855 when they moved to Walnut, Bureau Co. IL. They had sons, James, Joshua, William, and John. They had daughters, Adeline, Ann, and Amanda. All the children were born in De Kalb, St. Lawrence Co. NY.

I am seeking the ancestry / parents / siblings / of Amanda Fredenburg.

Marita Lee

Subject: Lysabeth Vredenburg Schutt
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:17:47 EDT
From: SenatorJS@aol.com

Dear Larry,
Thanks for being on the Web site for Dutch Settlers. I have a copy of The NYG & B Society VOL XCV, April 1964,PAGE 79-86, with an article on the Vrendberg Family, from Isaac-Willem-to 11 children and twenty-six listed grand-children. My 4th great grandmother Lysabeth, b. abt 1736 at Kingston, married Abraham Schutt. My problem is in getting to Willem and Isaac, because I do not not have her parents. She is probably the great-gransdaughter of Willem.
Your help will be appreciated.
John P. Scott

Subject: William Vredenburg
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:01:58 -0700
From: Candace Gregory <firegrl@sierratel.com>

William Vredenburg was my gg-grandmother's first husband. Mary Ann WILLIAMS (b1824 or 1832 Ark, d1911 OK) states in her pension application for her second husband that William Vredenburg died around 1848 by drowning. I do not know where they met or married. The spelling that I give here is as found on that application. She married her second husband at Fort Kearney, Nebraska in 1850, so I figure it is most likely was in Ark or Neb. Do you have any Vredenburgs that fit this time period?
Thank you in advance!!

>Larry Vredenburgh wrote:
> Candace:
> 1850 is really early for Nebraska! I wish I could claim him, by my close relatives were apparently in Illinois at that time. My family moved to
> western-most Iowa in 1863.
> However there was a Vredenburgh in the Mormon Batallion, (his name was Adna,
> I believe-I will look it up later) so there were probably Vredenburghs who
> came across Nebraska in 1848 (or was it 1846?) when the Mormons were forced
> out of Nauvoo, IL and headed to Utah.
> Also there is a possibly he served with the Army at Fort Kearney.... have
> you checked that out.
> Let me know if you find anything further... and I will get back to you.
> Larry Vredenburgh

Subject: Re: William Vredenburg
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:23:16 -0700
From: Candace Gregory <firegrl@sierratel.com>

Thank you for your information. I have done some research on Fort Kearney and interesting is that there was a Mormon Battalion assigned there that helped construct the new Fort Kearney. There is no telling where Mary Ann met up with William. It could have been Arkansas or Oklahoma even. Thanks for the help! I was so happy to stumble on your information. I had been querying and searching censuses to no positive results.


Subject: Fredenberg
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carol Burns <junebird3@yahoo.com>

I am currently looking for my great grandfather, Arthur Willard FREDENBERG. He married Sarah Amy LONDON. Arthur Willard Fredenberg died in 1903. He married Sarah Amy LONDON Nov 11, 1900. The marriage certificate has the last name spelled FREDENBURG. My grandfather, born Rufus London FREDENBERG (later changed to Robert London FREDENBERG) on Jul 25, 1903, and older sister Glendora are the only children from this marriage due to Arthurs early death.I know nothing of his ancestors and wonder if anyone has any clues.

I have spent a little more time today looking at your site and I find many of the same surnames that I have in my family, including COOL, DECKER, DE DUYSTER, DUBOIS, JOOSTEN, WESTBROOK, WESTFALL, AND OF COURSE, FREDENBURG.

All help would be appreciated.
Carol Burns nee Lauer

Subject: Fredenburg!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:29:29 -0500
From: Glenn Fredenburg <Glenn.Fredenburg@comp.westelcom.com> <ghfredenbu@aol.com>


Glenn Fredenburg, son of Harvey Calvin Jr.; son of Harvey Calvin Fredenburg. We have lived in the North Country of New York all our lives, within 20 miles of the Fredenburg Falls noted in the historical quote.

My paternal grandparents are both deceased, although I have aunts and uncles in Arizona and Florida who might be able to help us fill in missing gaps, despite the confusion over the Anglicization of the name. Likely happened in the middle of one of the wars, either Revolutionary or WW1.

Feel free to e-mail me at ghfredenbu@aol.com, or fredenburgg@westelcom.com. I have to remind myself to send this link home and do more research. You have piqued my interest.

Glenn Fredenburg

"Be a leader and someone will follow..."

Subject: more Fredenburgs !
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:08:15 -0500
From: "Patty Batchelder" <rbatch@monad.net>

Dear Larry,
My maiden name was Priscilla Alden Fredenburg and I grew up in the small town of Winchester, NH. We were the only people by the name of Fredenburg that we knew of for miles around. I don't know if I can helpyou much but maybe you can help me. I am quite new at using the computer as well. My father's name was Alden Fredenburg and he was raised in Keene, NH by an aunt by the name of May Castor who was his father's sister. His father's name was Mansfield Fredenburg and that is about all we know about the Fredenburg lineage. He supposedly came from a town in New York called Jewett although we are not totally sure of this. He married a woman by the name of Ethel Alden (who incidentally was supposedly a direct descendant of John and Priscilla Alden from the Mayflower) One man I talked to on the internet said that there was a Count DeFredenburgh who was given a land grant in northern New York near Keesville, and that he was a Dutchsettler. This man's name was Glenn Fredenburg. My father had a brother named Thomas and a sister named Ethel who grew up in Fitchburg, MA with their father and a brother who was adopted away from the family and renamed John Sullivan. He lives in Milford, NH and his original name was also Mansfield Fredenburg. Ethel' married name was Greene. Well, I don't know if any of this is of any use to you but if you have ever come across records of a Mansfield Fredenburg I would love to know.

Sincerely yours,
Patty (Priscilla A. Fredenburg) Batchelder

Subject: Fredenburg Geneology
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:11:55 -0500
From: "Jane M Holmes" <holment@together.net>

My name in Jane M (Fredenburg) Holmes. My great grandfather was George Fredenburg, who married Rosalie____?____. My grandfather (although I never knew him) was Mansfield Fredenburg who Married Ethel Alden (a direct decendant of John). They had four children, Thomas, Ethel, Alden (my Dad) and Mansfield, Jr., who was adopted my a family named Sullivan after his mother's death. I understand that Mansfield and his sister Mary "May" Fredenburg (she
married a Castor), were born in Jewett, NY. I am very intrested in pursuing any leads anyone might have. My sister, Priscilla, is also investgating.

Thanks, Jane M (Frednburg) Holmes

Subject: Vredenburg
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:01:02 PST
From: "Kevin Cahoon" <lcahoon@hotmail.com>

I know I checked with you last year. I am hoping you may have more info and I was able to find a brother and sister for my great grandmother.

My info is very limited. Emily Jane Vredenburg was my great grandmother. She was born 21 Nov 1857 in Ohio. I don't know where exactly. I believe that the family ultimately comes from New York as the Census listed her parents birth place as New York. She had a brother Emmett and a sister Edna. This I found from family records. I checked the 1880 Ohio Census, but was unable to find the family. I have limited access to American records here in Canada.

Emily Jane "Jeannie" married my great grandfather Herbert E. CAHOON on 29 May 1884 in Arlington, Washington Co., Nebraska, U.S.A

Thanks in advance

Kevin Cahoon
Vancouver, Canada

Subject: Great site
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:24:14 +0100
From: "J.H.J. Vredenberg" <J.H.J.Vredenberg@inter.NL.net>

Hi Larry,

Just surfing the net I wondered if there would be any Vredenberg family outside the Netherlands. Sanning through all documents on your site, I was overwhelmed by all facts about Vredenber etc.

I could add that Vredenurg was a name of a castel in the city Utrecht, where at this moment a shopping centre with the same name is located.

I never put any attention to the roots of my family, but this is what I know. The grantmother of my father (born 1880) was married to Hendrik Vredenberg, who was a farmer and lived in the north-east region of the Netherlands (Tonden). They got 10 childeren. Also there is a small
village called Vreden in Germany close to the border in north-east region of the Netherlands.

I know that a nephew of my father did put some work into the family-tree. I'll call him to find some more information.

I wondered if the names van Vredenburgh, Vradenburg etc do all come frome the name Vredenberg. Could you give me this information?

Best regards,


Subject: VREDENBURG query
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:31:35 -0800
From: Candace Gregory <firegrl@sierratel.com>

I posted a previous query about WILLIAM VREDENBURG, but have new information.

According to folks researching this line, they utilized a different spelling for William VREDENBURG. They spelled it BRITTENBURG, whereas Mary Ann's pension papers state that it was VREDENBURG. My grandmother
pronounced it "Vittenburg."

William VREDENBURG married Many Ann WILLIAMS (b1824 AK) and they had one child, Don, (b1849 Ark). Williams died "about 1848" according to Mary Ann. According to new family information, Don claimed that his father was born in Ohio. I am sorry but that is all I have on William. Does anyone have any VREDENBURG/VITTENBURG/BRITTENBURG that lived in Ohio or Arkansas at these time frames? Has anyone found any of your family that could tie in with William i.e. siblings, parents, kids?

Thanks in advance for any help.


Subject: Ellet (Elliot) Van Vredenburg?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:50:05 EST
From: Ldcravens@aol.com

I have been looking at your websight hoping to make a connection, but have no clear idea where to look next. I am searching for the ancestors of SAUNDERS ELIOT (also spelled variously Elliot, Eliott, Elliott in family records). Saunders Elliot was born in NY in 1811. Records say that he came as a young boy with his family (? don't know his father's name for sure) to Kentucky(from near Syracuse) --probably around 1818.

He married in Hardin County, Ky in 1832 to Margaret Miller (the daughter of Adam Miller and herself a descendant of Du Bois, van Meter and other Dutchess County families who had moved to KY in the 178os by way of VA). One of Saunders Eliot's sons was named Stephen Eliot. Two residents of Elizabethtown, Hardin County, KY in the time that Saunders Eliot lived there
were Stephen V R Eliot and Jacob Eliot(they came from Otsego County NY which is also identified in records as being "near Syracuse" although it's not that near). They were involved in publishing, newspaper, mercantile, and held some public offices. Jacob Eliot eventually migrated to Tarrant county, Texas as did Saunders Eliot. Do you have any record of a van Vredenburg marriage with any one named Ellet or Elliot? I find a query mentioning a marraige of Tamas Ellet and Catrina van Vredenburg. Do you know of any issue of this marraige and where they lived? Also do you have any records of Saunders + Elliot or van Vredenburg? I know this sounds awfully complicated, but I am intrigued by the VR as it is an unusual find.


Subject: Your genealogy homepage
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:55:17 -0500
From: "David J. Walz" <walzd@capital.net>


I've visited your homepage a few times. Really nice job! It's helped me add a few tidbits of information to my search. My line converges with yours through Anna Vredenburgh (m. Barent Cramer, 6 Jan 1795, St Peter's Lutheran Church, Rhinebeck, Dutchess Co., New York). I have had the information commonly found on the Vredenburgh (Van Vredenburgh) line for a few years, but it is only recently that I've had the time to start any digging. Hence the reason for my running across your webpage. The information from Benjamin Vredenburgh (bapt. 13 Mar 1720) back is fairly well established, but information on his son Jeremias and grandchildren are not, at least as not far as what I have been able to find.

On your webpage you have Anna Vredenburgh as the daughter of Jeremias Vredenburgh (bapt. 21 May 1769) and the grand daughter of Jeremias Vredenburgh and Catharina Bekker. The information that I have would indicate that Anna and Jeremias are siblings. Maria (b. Apr 1767), Jeremias (bapt. 21 May 1769), and Anna (bapt. 7 Jun 1772) are likely the children of Jeremias Vredenburgh and Catharina Bekker. If I find any additional information or further support, I'll keep you advised. I live about 20 minutes from the New York State Archives and Library in Albany and about an hour and a half from Rhinebeck.


Subject: George VRENDENBERG
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:41:47 EST
From: BHa2053283@aol.com

Hello - I'm trying to do some family research. One of my PALMER grandaunts Marion b. 1862 or Minnie b. 1863 married and lived in Dutchess County with a George Vrendenberg. Would you have any information on them or their families?

Thank you for your time and efforts. Richard Palmer Hawkes

Subject: Fredenburg/Furton/Furtaw
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:16:24 EST
From: RiNeFu@aol.com

I am looking for information on William Fredenburg who married my grandfather's sister Angeline Furton/Furtaw in Macomb County, Michigan on July 22, 1877. I am also looking for information on their children ( I have no names). There supposedly were six. Any information is appreciated.

Richard N. Furtaw

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:15:37 -0500
From: "Museum of Racing" <nmrhof96@race.saratoga.ny.us>

Mr. Vredenburgh:

I'm a descendant of Mary Ann Vredenburgh (Elias, Jacob, Nicholas) of Yorktown, N.Y. You have fairly good data on her immediate family which you cited in your answer to Maureen Fawkes' query four years ago, which I just turned up on the internet. (I have an original family record of Elias'
and my cousin has Elias' bible record)

(1) Are you aware of the UNPUBLISHED scholarly research of the late Dr. Kenneth Scott? I don't know where his notes are...he has been dead 5-10 years...but we should find out.

(2) How do I contact Ms. Fawkes? The newsletter itself offered no link, either to her...or to you.

(3) How is your data on Elias' descendants? Jim Hazard of Pa. has tackled them pretty aggressively.

(4) I'm old fashioned. Are you planning any permanent (paper!) edition eventually.

<<Note: I will sell them for $5 if anyone is interested. lmv>>

Field Horne

Subject: Lost VREDENBURGs
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:45:26 -0800
From: Candace Gregory <firegrl@sierratel.com>


I have spoken with you by email a couple of times about my family. My gg-grandmother's first husband was William VREDENBURG, according to Mexican war pension papers. Mary Ann WILLIAMS was born in Arkansas 1824. William died about 1848, according to Mary Ann. She had at least one child by William VREDENBURG. The first one was Don Alphonso (b1849) and I believe there may have been another one, Nora. Mary Ann remarried in 1850 in Nebraska to Henry C. DECOURTNEY (b1826 VA) alias Henry D. COURTNEY. Don and Nora went by the last names of COURTNEY and BRITTENBURG. I have recently discovered records of Don's that stated that his father was born in Ohio.

Can anyone help me with any VREDENBURGs or BRITTENBURGS who were in Ohio around this time frame, probably c 1820s?

Candace Gregory

Researching Gregory, Prater, Courtney, Williams, Wicker, Sandifer, Slaughter, Cain

Subject: Peter Althiser
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:44:22 EDT
From: LW6600@aol.com

Do you know Peter's Althiser and Matilda's [m. 17 MAY 1839, ,Switzerland,IN] children's names? Do you know if one of them was named Joseph Marion?

Any help would be appreciated.

Laura Wilks


Subject: carrie fredenburg
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 19:00:54 -0400
From: "Dominic Diaz" <caroldd@bellsouth.net>

hi larry!
i happened upon your particular site. its very interesting to me because my whole life, my family has thought that fredenburg is of german background but from what i can tell, its looks dutch! my dad is the youngest of 10 children born to gaylord and olga fredenburg. my grandfather was born in 1900 and i believe my grandma was born in 1905. my dads only 48 and he has a neice older that him! his oldest brother virgil was older that my moms father. i guess thats what happens when you have so many children! im very intersted in finding out more about my fathers side of the family since we obviously didnt really knowall the facts. my family is all in indiana, id really like to learn more. i know that you said its doubtful that were all related but our last name is so unusual that i would think we'reall linked somehow or another. if you find the time to e-mail me back with maybe some info on my family (since you seem to know how to find it), i would really appreciate it. i hope to hear from you soon!

carrie fredenburg

[note this email has been slightly edited.... ]

Subject: Hillegonda Vredenburgh
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:18:00 +0100
From: "NICKI MEGAINEY" <nicki@megainey.freeserve.co.uk>

I am looking to trace my maternal great great grandmothers side - she was born Hillegonda Vredenburgh born in 1852 in Avereest NL. Other members of the same line include Arend Vredenburgh ca.1730 and Albert Vredenburg born 1760. Other links are Stoffers, Katterburg, Reinders and denneman to name but a few. Any chance of you being able to let me know if they are in any way related to you??

Just starting my research now.

Many thanks,
Nicki Megainey (nee Verhees)

Subject: Fredenburg's
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:28:59 EDT
From: MaritaDido@aol.com

I have found an Amanda Melvina Fredenburg in Switzerland Co. Indiana, dau. of Abraham, the son of Isaac Fredenburg of New York. My great grandmother was Amanda Melvina Burke, born in De Kalb, St. Lawrence Co. NY., the daughter of Amanda Fredenburg-Sutliff-Burke. I believe this Amanda was the daughter of Joshua Fredenburg and his wife Ruth Freeman. Joshua and Ruth were living in Rhinebeck, NY. in 1810, earlier they may have been in Minden, Montgomery Co.?? NY. Then settled in Jefferson Co. NY. by 1820.
Do you have any information on a connection between Joshua Fredenburg and Isaac Fredenburg? There also was an Abraham Fredenburg near the age of Joshua F. who was in Rhinebeck, NY. in 1810 and in Jefferson Co. NY. in 1820.

I would appreciate any clue you may have to offer.

Marita Lee

Subject: Fredenberg/Willett
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:38:52 EDT
From: SUBITO@aol.com

I have read what you have on the Web. It is fascinating. I am looking for a female Fredenberg who married a Willett and had a son George Willett b. 1859 in NYC. George was my great grandfather. The only clue I have that the Fredenberg family is involved is an entry in a baby book in 1937. The grandparents are listed as Marinus Willett and ? Fredenberg. I have no idea if the marinus is accurate or if the spelling of the name Fredenberg is correct. Do you think you have anything on this particular person? I would love to hear from you.

Thank you
Sue Petersen

Subject: William Vredenburg
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 22:32:09 -0700
From: Candace Gregory <firegrl@sierratel.com>


I hope I am not causing you too much trouble in my search. I have another clue.

I was recently searching land records of Jenkin WILLIAMS (b1826 TN), husband of Mary Ann WILLIAMS (b1824 AR) who's first husband was William Vredenburg, according to Mexican War Records. In these records she stated that William had drowned, no other information. I know for sure that they had one child, Don Alphonso BRITTENBURG (b1849 NE). I strongly suspect that they had another child named Norma (b c1846). She is found in an AR census with living with Mary Ann's mother under the name Norma BETTENBURG.

In these land records in Yell Co, AR a Joseph VALKENBURG is listed. His land purchase is 1840, Jenkin Williams is 1830. I am looking at the possibility that Joseph had a son named William or a relative named William that married MAry Ann. Would you have any information on this Joseph's family or a possible William with this surname.

It sure doesn't appear that my ancestors could spell very well, as I already have 4 very different spellings for this person. Thanks in advance for any help.


Subject: Fredenberg
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:00:33 +0000
From: CD Blount <cdblount@uswest.net>

I finally believe I have identified my Susannah Wheeler Fredenberg who married Nehemiah Hoag b 18 Dec 1760 on 7 Feb 1782, Presbyterian Church, though the Hoags were mostly Quaker. He died 1 Nov 1805. They are shown in Pawling town in the 1790 census. Nehemiah's will lists Susannah and his brother in law, Mark Wheeler, and I have just discovered the will of John Wheeler Jr. listing Susannah and Mark and other children, 11 Aug 1782. John is s/o Jan Wheeler and Magaret Loscher. But I've never located Susannah's first marriage to a Fredenberg/Vredenberg or various spellings. Have you come across it.

Carolyn Fix Blount, Seattle

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:20:06 -0800
From: "Susan S." <susan@bontekoe.net>
Subject: Schuurman family

Hi Larry,

I just came across your Vredenburgh genealogy (descending from  Jacobus Schuurman and Antje Terhune). I think that Antje's parents  have been misidentified and instead are Jan Terhune and his 2nd wife  Margrietje van Sicklen.  Antje's sister, Eva, is said to have married  the Rev. Theodorus Jacobus Frelinghuysen, close friend of Jacobus  Schuurman. Margrietje van Sicklen was the daughter of Ferdinandus van  Sicklen and Eva Antoinse Jansen.  Eva and Antje both named sons  Ferdinandus. (Eva was probably named after her grandmother Eva  Antoinse Jansen). This Eva was the daughter of Anthony "The Turk"  Jansen van Salee and Grietje Reyniers, very colorful figures in early  NY. (Anthony was said to have been the son of the pirate Jan Jansen  van Haarlem.

The problem is that Eva and Antje Terhune's baptisms have not been  found. They were most likely baptized in Flatbush between 1692 and 1700.